Kentucky recruiting update from Marc Maggard.(Davis, Nash and more)

[sobe]

Originally Posted by uoflmatt

lol @ this weak excuse. CUSA was pretty much a major in basketball until the good teams (UL, Marquette, Cincy) left for the Big East. Cal had every opportunity to win at Memphis and failed.

So you are saying that players should choose UL because Pitino won a title 15 years ago and has 20 plus years coaching at majors?

[uoflmatt]

Originally Posted by sobe

So you are saying that players should choose UL because Pitino won a title 15 years ago and has 20 plus years coaching at majors?

20+ years coaching at majors? Care to clarify that one since you apparently never considered CUSA a major? Pretty sure you're wrong.

While you're at it, go ahead and compare resumes between Calipari and Pitino. It speaks for itself.

[sobe]

Originally Posted by uoflmatt

20+ years coaching at majors? Care to clarify that one since you apparently never considered CUSA a major? Pretty sure you're wrong.

While you're at it, go ahead and compare resumes between Calipari and Pitino. It speaks for itself.

When did Pitino coach in CUSA? It would have only been a couple of years if at all.

[BigBlueCatFan]

Pitinos had a combined 17 years at a traditional top 3 and top 10 program.

Caliparis had one. And if you wanna compare first years at Kentucky it's not even close.

[uoflmatt]

Originally Posted by BigBlueCatFan

Pitinos had a combined 17 years at a traditional top 3 and top 10 program.

Caliparis had one. And if you wanna compare first years at Kentucky it's not even close.

And why is that? Pitino inherited a program on probation because of your extensive history of coaches that can't follow the rules.

Also, Memphis is a pretty accomplished school. It isn't like Calipari put them on the map. They had 2 final fours and 3 Elite 8's before Calipari got there and they were a fixture in the top 20 in the 1980's.

It really just comes down to the fact that Pitino has had much more success in 23 years as a head coach in the NCAA than Cal has in his 18. I'm sorry you two are struggling with that fact. Maybe Cal can buy you a championship sometime soon.

[BigBlueCatFan]

Lmao. You can ignore the fact that it's not as easy to win at Memphis and Umass than it is at Louisville and Kentucky all you want but you're not fulling anyone else. And taking that even further it's obviously easier to win at Kentucky than it is at UofL.

How else would you explain Pitino not even coming class to matching the success he had Kentucky in 9 years at Louisville.

All jobs are not equal. And Pitinos had better opportunities untill now.

And although we weren't on probation when Cal took over we weren't exactly flourishing either.

Taking into account the situation he walked into Cal had the best first year on the job in the history of our program. Maybe in the history of the sport.

[uoflmatt]

Originally Posted by BigBlueCatFan

Lmao. You can ignore the fact that it's not as easy to win at Memphis and Umass than it is at Louisville and Kentucky all you want but you're not fulling anyone else. And taking that even further it's obviously easier to win at Kentucky than it is at UofL.

How else would you explain Pitino not even coming class to matching the success he had Kentucky in 9 years at Louisville.

All jobs are not equal. And Pitinos had better opportunities untill now.

And although we weren't on probation when Cal took over we weren't exactly flourishing either.

Taking into account the situation he walked into Cal had the best first year on the job in the history of our program. Maybe in the history of the sport.

My God, you're basically worshiping a guy who doesn't even have a Final Four on record. I don't care where he coached, that one fact is pathetic.

The fact that Pitino has had "better opportunities" doesn't change the fact that Cal has done very little to deserve the praise you're throwing at him nor does it change the fact that Cal's resume is no where on the same planet as Pitino's.

Sorry kiddo, keep hoping and praying that Saint Cal will lead you to something other than probation.

[BigBlueCatFan]

I'm not worshipping anyone. Just putting his first year at Kentucky in perspective. All things considered he did a phenomenal job last season. The lone blemish was the loss to WVU.

It's hard to win the tournament though just ask coach K, dean smith and Roy Williams.

All three are considered great coaches. 3 of the top coaches of all time but those three guys have also come up short in the tournament more often than not.

Bill Self is another guy that's considered to be one of if not the best bench coach in the game AND a great recruiter yet more often than not he's been sent packing by an inferior opponent. I'd even go so far as to say he's suffered three of the more embarrasing tourney losses in the last decade.

And yeah I'm hoping Cal will get a few titles before he leaves here. That's all I can do. I feel pretty good about it though.

[sobe]

Originally Posted by uoflmatt

And why is that? Pitino inherited a program on probation because of your extensive history of coaches that can't follow the rules.

Also, Memphis is a pretty accomplished school. It isn't like Calipari put them on the map. They had 2 final fours and 3 Elite 8's before Calipari got there and they were a fixture in the top 20 in the 1980's.

It really just comes down to the fact that Pitino has had much more success in 23 years as a head coach in the NCAA than Cal has in his 18. I'm sorry you two are struggling with that fact. Maybe Cal can buy you a championship sometime soon.

I didn't know the NCAA consider Rupp and Hall in their evaluation. I guess they might have considered Pitino's 8 major NCAA violations including buying cars for recruits as well. Didn't Denny get in some trouble too? So, it looks like Denny and Pitino have been in more trouble than Cal (none).

[sobe]

Originally Posted by BigBlueCatFan

I'm not worshipping anyone. Just putting his first year at Kentucky in perspective. All things considered he did a phenomenal job last season. The lone blemish was the loss to WVU.

It's hard to win the tournament though just ask coach K, dean smith and Roy Williams.

All three are considered great coaches. 3 of the top coaches of all time but those three guys have also come up short in the tournament more often than not.

Bill Self is another guy that's considered to be one of if not the best bench coach in the game AND a great recruiter yet more often than not he's been sent packing by an inferior opponent. I'd even go so far as to say he's suffered three of the more embarrasing tourney losses in the last decade.

And yeah I'm hoping Cal will get a few titles before he leaves here. That's all I can do. I feel pretty good about it though.

Assuming he stays for more than two or three years, it will be almost impossible for him not to.

[Deschet]

Few people truly respect Calipari as a coach while most admit he is the best recruiter in college basketball. Now, how does a guy who is a mediocre coach continually get the best talent in the country, regardless of whether it's Memphis or Kentucky, year after year?

[MC_Kat]

Originally Posted by Deschet

Few people truly respect Calipari as a coach while most admit he is the best recruiter in college basketball. Now, how does a guy who is a mediocre coach continually get the best talent in the country, regardless of whether it's Memphis or Kentucky, year after year?

Really? You can't be serious.

[uoflmatt]

Originally Posted by sobe

I didn't know the NCAA consider Rupp and Hall in their evaluation. I guess they might have considered Pitino's 8 major NCAA violations including buying cars for recruits as well. Didn't Denny get in some trouble too? So, it looks like Denny and Pitino have been in more trouble than Cal (none).

"Buying cars" was definitely not among his violations as a 24-year old grad student.

And yea, we know, Cal hasn't been caught so therefore he's a saint.

[uoflmatt]

Originally Posted by MC_Kat

Really? You can't be serious.

He is, and most college basketball fans without their heads up their asses feel the same way.

[sobe]

Originally Posted by uoflmatt

"Buying cars" was definitely not among his violations as a 24-year old grad student.

And yea, we know, Cal hasn't been caught so therefore he's a saint.

Sure it was. He got recruits cars with tickets. Also, you do realize he was head coach at Hawaii don't you?

[sobe]

Originally Posted by uoflmatt

He is, and most college basketball fans without their heads up their asses feel the same way.

Good example of what I was talking about in the other thread. Just say it over and over again and it when it turns out false just ignore it and then make something else up. Hard to lose that way.

[uoflmatt]

Originally Posted by sobe

Sure it was. He got recruits cars with tickets. Also, you do realize he was head coach at Hawaii don't you?

No, he was one of the coaches implicated in some sort of exchange of used cars for tickets. He didn't "buy" recruits cars as you keep throwing out there as if it's fact.

As far as "head coach at Hawaii", that's a gross overstatement. He was the interim head coach for part of a season after being a graduate assistant the year before and only led Hawaii for SIX games total.

You really should try using facts one of these days.

[BigBlueCatFan]

Behanon got an offer from Kentucky today according multiple sources.

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Originally Posted by uoflmatt

No, he was one of the coaches implicated in some sort of exchange of used cars for tickets. He didn't "buy" recruits cars as you keep throwing out there as if it's fact.

As far as "head coach at Hawaii", that's a gross overstatement. He was the interim head coach for part of a season after being a graduate assistant the year before and only led Hawaii for SIX games total.

You really should try using facts one of these days.

I'm sure "implicated" makes you feel better. But we both know that is false. The NCAA made findings that Pitino bought cars for recruits. You can argue that they made it up if you want, but that's what they found.

[uoflmatt]

Originally Posted by sobe

I'm sure "implicated" makes you feel better. But we both know that is false. The NCAA made findings that Pitino bought cars for recruits. You can argue that they made it up if you want, but that's what they found.

I hope you don't misrepresent facts in court like this. Unbelievable you're trying to spin it that way.